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5 things you should know before dating a journalist

By Tom Chambers • 12:36 p.m. May 10, 2007 • 411 Comments 66 Trackbacks

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So, you’ve been eyeing that smart, attractive journalist you’re lucky enough to know personally. You’re intrigued. Your journalist is smart, funny, confident. Visions of Clark Kent taking off the glasses and ripping off his clothes to reveal a perfectly toned body in blue spandex coming to save you run through your head.

Who can blame you? Journalism is a sexy occupation.

But journalists aren’t like the bimbos you usually pick up at the bar. Nor are they the assholes you ladies continually fall for. No, journalists are different beings (which is why you’re attracted to them in the first place), and you should realize — before jumping in — that this isn’t going to be a run-of-the-mill, boring, lame relationship you’re used to.

Here’s what you need to know:

1We can figure things out. Understand, we’re paid to dig deep, find the secrets and wade through bullshit. We can pick up on subtleties, so what you think you are hiding from us won’t be hidden for long. Sure, we’ll act surprised when you eventually tell us you starred in German porn as a freshman in college — but we already knew.

We don’t take shit from anyone, so don’t lie to us or give a load of bullshit. We spend all day separating fact from fiction, listening to PR cronies and dealing with slimy politicians. If you make us do the same with you, you’re just gonna piss us off. And don’t think we’ll be quiet about it. We’ll respond with the vengeance of an Op-Ed page railing against society’s injustices — and we’ll enjoy doing it.

Just tell us the truth. We can handle it.

2At some point, you will be a topic. Either through a feature story or an opinion column, something you do or say will be a subject. Get over it. Consider it a compliment, even if we’re arguing against you in print.

Think about it: we live our lives writing about life. If you’re a part of our life, we’re going to write about you, your thoughts or a subject springing from one of the two.

Don’t be upset when an argument against your adoration of Hillary Clinton turns up on page A4. We’re not directing the writing at you, personally — your ignorance was just our inspiration (there, doesn’t that make you feel better?).

3Yes, we think we’re smarter than you. In fact, we know it. Does that smack of ego? Absolutely — but that confidence is what makes your heart go pitter-patter.

We have a strong, working knowledge of how the world works. That makes us great in conversation. We can delve into the intricacies of zoning laws, local and national politics, where to find the good restaurants, what’s happening with pop culture, where the good bands are playing and more.

But there are pitfalls.

Guaranteed, when you say “towards,” we will automatically say “toward” — “towards” is not a word. We’re not trying to call you dumb (even though you don’t understand the English language), it’s habit. The same will happen when you say “anxious” when you mean “eager” and when you answer “good” when someone asks how you are doing.

We carry ourselves with a certain arrogant air. Embrace it (that’s what attracted you to us in the first place, after all). Don’t be surprised if we’re not impressed when you say, “I’m a writer, too.” No, you are not. The fact that you sit in a coffee shop wearing black while scribbling in your journal does not make you a writer. Nor does the fact that you “wrote some poems in high school” or that one day you want to pen “the great American novel.”

Look, we’re paid to write. Every day. What’s more, our writing matters. It changes opinions, affects decisions and connects people with the world around them.

We’re not spewing our angst or trying to fabricate an aura of creativity. We write about the real world — with real consequences.

Our words go through three or four cranky editors who make us rewrite before it’s printed a few hundred thousand times and distributed all over town. You don’t do that unless you’re confident, even egotistical.

You may have some great journal entries, poems and rudimentary short stories — good for you. Just don’t assume we’ll accept that as on par with what we do (unless you’re really hot, then hell, you’re a better writer than I).

4You’re not less important than the job — the job is just more important than anything else. One doesn’t become a journalist to sit in an office from 9 to 5 Monday through Friday.

We do take our work home. If news is happening, we’ll drop whatever we’re doing — even if it’s with you — to cover it. We’re always looking for stories, so yes, we’ll stop on the street to write something down, interview a passer-by or gather information for a lead.

On that same note, don’t get upset if you call us on deadline suggesting some afternoon nookie and we say, “I’ve got to put the paper to bed first.” That could mean hours from now, but we’ll have plenty of time to put you in bed later.

5You won’t be disappointed. Journalists are intense, driven, passionate folk. We carry those same attributes into our relationships, making it an extremely fun ride well worth the price of admission. Our lives are never boring and each day is different.

If the pitfalls are scaring you away, consider this:

The fact that we’re inquisitive means we’ll listen to you. Even if it does seem like an interview, we’re paying attention to what you have to say (see rule No. 1).

We’ll write about you or your thoughts because you’re an important part of our life and we care about you (see rule No. 2).

Our brains are a great resource. Ever go on a date with an attractive person and wind up wishing you hadn’t because everything they say is just, well, stupid? That’s not going to happen here (see rule No. 3).

Yes, it may seem that we put the job ahead of you, but we’re driven. You’re not with that loser whose life is going nowhere and who’s completely content being mediocre (see rule No. 4).

There you go, five things you should know before dating a journalist. Feel free to add to the list, point out where I’ve missed something or leave a comment. And yes, ladies, I’m single (see rule No. 5).

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6Your marriage will be left in shambles.

Hey, great list! I, a journalist, married a journalist … it does take one to know one.

Brilliant — and quite true! I often say that some professions fall under the “work hard, play hard” category, and journalists certainly fit right in.

If No. 4 puts you off, and you don’t mind someone who points out that you used the wrong “to/too/two” or “your/you’re,” then date a copy editor.

(There’s a joke: Q. What do copy editors use for birth control? A. Their personalities.)

Journos appear to be disproportionately represented among those with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. They’re also disproportionately represented among those who test ENTJ on the Myers-Briggs scale. So are corporate CEOs.

Just sayin’.

Rule 6:
We get ridiculed and openly hated each day. It’s kind of a natural thing with the job, so sometimes our jokes can seem a little harsh or rough. That also has to deal with something called being jaded. After interviewing so many dead kids’ parents you begin to find some way to laugh it off. That’s a coping mechanism too. That being said, there are some dark times when it all catches up to us. So just love us good, and we’ll love you back.

Would you PLEASE add “anyway” and “anyways”? That one always pisses me off.

Well, being a photographer and a pressman’s assistant, I totally understand the putting the paper to bed. And photographers fall under the same reasons as journalists do. I can tell you how many times I was eating dinner with my other half when I get the famous 6:30 phone call saying there’s some breaking news. And we all live for that call.

Cheers! Good stuff.

Since this is still getting a good number of hits, I’ve suspended the 10-day limit for comments… for the entire site actually. So keep yelling at me.

Love this! A friend in the business sent it to me, and I’ve linked it on my blog. Too funny, and too true.

In the sixth paragraph under item three, “everyday” is wrong. “Every day” is correct, because you want to distinguish that writing is something you do each and every single day. If your writing doesn’t dazzle, you might say it’s “everyday” writing.

@Jennifer Hinkle : Thanks for calling the author on his linguistic arrogance!

Being a journalist, perhaps he would take a little time and do on research on language usage, before pompously decreeing which is “correct” usage and whether something is “not a word”.

The fact is – both ‘toward’ and ‘towards’ are correct. Anyone educated in “British” (Queens) English (including Europians and most South Asians) will always tend to say ‘towards’ while in American usage, ‘toward’ is the normal usage. There is no comparison with genuine mistakes like saying “good” for “well” and “anxious” for “eager”.

Hopefully, two obvious mistakes in one short article will reduce the level of smugness in the author a little bit.

Hey man… totally true!!! great list… Así soy yo también!!!!

Should I show this to my journalist wife? :P hahahah

Two years ago I was dating a guy and when everything was over, he said he would never date a journalist again. Needless to say, I am a journalist.

‘“towards” is not a word.’

Really? You had better tell the Oxford English Dictionary. They think it’s been in the English language since the 9th century – you tosser.

@Shan and @Jennifer Hinkle Thank you!

There are the most common “rules” a reporter likes to use as examples of their prowess over the English language. Some do know correct style and usage, but this author and many other journalists forget about the journalists that come after them to clean up all of their mistakes. Copy editors are journalists, too, and we’re the ones who make you look good. Do us a favor and realize that those “cranky editors” are making you rewrite your story several times because they’re trying to be sure those hundreds of thousands of readers can actually make sense of your precious writing.

I don’t disagree with many of these points, just don’t take credit for something you don’t really do.

I’m not sure what has sparked interest in this goofy, little piece three years later. For those who think me smug, well, that was the point of the piece — it was written mainly for fun.

“Towards” vs. “toward” — If you’re using the Queen’s English, go ahead and write “towards.” Here in the States, it’s “toward.” I do not use “bonnet” when referring to the hood of a car, nor do I use “fag” when referring to a cigarette. So I use “toward.”

@Ann, yes! Copy editors are journalists, too. I’ve actually spent most of my career as one of those “cranky editors” to which I referred.

I’m a journalist and I guess I’m just not dedicated enough to my job because unlike Tom, I would put nookie before deadlines any day. I guess that’s why Tom is still single while I’m not =)

Nice read, now would like to experience it :P

The problem I have with journalists is their lack of accountability. I’ve been misquoted a few times and once a guy ran a story in a national daily linking me to a blog I don’t write and describing me as ‘married’. The attitudes of the journalists (yes, in plural) involved in these rather made me doubt their claim to being part of the human race, let alone an intelligent species. I worked in the knowledge services too and I’d have been fired for any of the blunders that were shrugged off by more than one journalist. Passion and intelligence are good but with all due respect, people in other professions possess those too. A modicum of modesty might actually make (even a) journalist worth dating.

Also: we’re always broke.

“Don’t be surprised if we’re not impressed when you say, “I’m a writer, too.” No, you are not. ”

This made my day. A self published asshat poet in my town once told me that calling what I do being a “writer” was like telling “a NASCAR fan you’re a paid driver if you deliver pizzas for a living.”

Guess what said poet’s day job was? Pizza guy.

Well, it was, until he got fired. Good thing he lived with his parents.

I’m a freelance journalist who’s marrying a software engineer. You think WE need disclaimers? Dude, I haven’t had a dining room table in over a year because it’s perpetually covered in computer bits and solder. We’re both a trove of weird habits. The only difference is that I, a creature of introspection, recognize it and he just says, “Oh.” :) It’s a nice match.

This does not bring up the mire that is the intramediacompany romance. Mire, I say.

This is so dead on! I’ve been a single woman for a long time, and each time a relationship doesn’t work out, or a guy doesn’t “step up”, I get “they were just intimidated by you and your career”! I don’t buy it. It takes one to know one, that’s for sure!! I shared this with all of my colleagues!

I’m not sure what’s funnier … the fact that you nailed journalists to a tee or there are offended people bitching about your grammar.

Thanks for giving me a new blog to add to my RSS feed.

Now what about journalists who date journalists? Is that totally fucked up? Or totally realistic?

6. We appear haggard after years of being overworked (owned) by our superiors who know we can’t just go get another job because the market is dismal, and, let’s face it,.. we are probably as mediocre as the rest of journalists who haven’t distinguished themselves enough to land a position at a really good paper, etc… ;)

I think you meant “better writer than me.” Subject. Object.

As a former television news producer – I have to say that journalists (not all) are some of the most stupid people (ignorant) I have ever met.

Nothing is off the record…

@Tracy: Yeah … talking heads on TV don’t really qualify as journalists. You can keep them.

THANK YOU for this post. Two broken engagements later… I was starting to think I was a crazy person. Men are intrigued at first, love the fact that I’m “so into my job” — but then, as Dawn put it, they don’t “step up.” I get bored easily when I’m not working… sorry, but I need someone who’s actually interesting.

To Tracy the News Producer– As a print reporter, nothing …NOTHING.. impressed more than being at the scene of an all out multiblock street melee in a south Florida city when a guy from the local station, his cameraman in tow, walks up to a group of young men on the sidewalk and asks, “Can you tell me who the leader of this riot is?” You guys have your hands full just getting the weather and scores right. Leave the heavy lifting to the pros and lede with our stories the next day…like you always do.

Towards might be a word, but the Associated Press stylebook says not to use it…

LEX: Oh wow. I am an ENTJ. How funny.

I started dating one about a year ago and I couldn’t agree more.

I’ve had so so so many guys complain that I start interviewing them on a date. I think they should just be flattered that I care about their lives. Also-I’ve had to focus on unclenching my fists when boys use “good” when they should use “well,” and then I have to go into my “I was EIC for an online magazine and copy-edited like crazy” explanation so they don’t think I’m totally nutso.

Not to be nitpicky, but “better writer than I’ is the correct phrase. Put the unspoken word “am” at the end of that sentence, and you’ll see why using “me” is wrong.

I’ve worked just about every hour of the day at my station (including a year on graveyard shift) and now work second shift. As a result, a couple of potential girlfriends have stopped talking to me because of #4, and quickly assume that I’m too busy (or too good for them) because I can’t call them on THEIR terms. Yes, God forbid that I actually have to WORK on a regular basis and make a living! Oh well…shows me their true colors and that I’m better off without.

Who knows, maybe one of these days I’ll get a 9-5 outside of the industry, and drive myself crazy. I LIKE not having to put up with traffic. :-)

If you are a journalist (or editor) of any stripe who still cares about proper grammar, please keep the faith. It’s disillusioning to see all the mistakes made in print and especially on television today. Young people will copy what they see and read. Communication suffers when language is corrupted.

I’m going to ignore your ethnocentric quibble re ‘towards’ since Canadian English is a hybrid of British and American usage (which means you have to stay on top of all three – nothing like trying to remember what we call ‘laundry powder’ in Canada at 3AM as you try to meet a newspaper printing deadline because you’ve got a lot of Brits on staff but the paper’s actually Canadian).

You’re getting all the sudden attention because the post’s being tweeted.

Oh I just love this – rock on!

Love this post. I’d add a tidbit to one: We love to look up things and research comments by people. Done it many times when people around me threw out random facts without substance. I’d say, “Let’s look it up!”

I nodded my head through the whole thing. Yep, that’s me. Passed it on to my mechanical engineer guy to better help him understand the thoughts in our heads. He’s loved the ride so far … we’ve been together for almost two years. Thanks for writing.

Yeah, journalists are fun to be with

This was very entertaining! I have been in a relationship with a journalist for almost two and a half years. They are different beings and it is definitely a ride! You are so right. I love my journalist though :) Thank you for sharing.

Wow. You are sure full of yourself. Good luck with that relationship thing!

BTW, it is only “toward” in the U.S. In proper British English (it is their language, after all) it is “towards.” Deal with it.

i am a journalist and once dated another journalist. she was the only one who understood me entirely. too bad she’s moved to an overseas bureau.

I would add, as an automotive journalist, that if we have a special field of interest, we are nerds / geeks. So yes, we’ll be absolutly passionate about stuff you don’t care about (the incredible interest of mazda for rotary engines, or the beauty of a MkII GT40 for exemple), but if you show just a little bit of interest, we’ll then won’t mind if you say “ok now, that’s interesting, but shut up please”. We’ll have the feeling that we managed to share some of our passion with you and we’ll be very pleased :)
(and excuse me if I did some english mistakes, i’m french and not that used to writting in english)

This is a great post! I especially liked #4 because unless you are a journalist or someone who must respond to an event as it is happening (doctor on call, for example), it is very difficult for people to understand you can’t not drop what you are doing to cover breaking news!

You are a tool. What self important jumped up drivel. Admit that you really want a high paid, less stressful job and stop projecting your frustrations.

What a bunch of wankers you are then

Journalists are sexy, says journalist. And you lot give us poor PRs a hard time…

I always feel like I’m interviewing on a first date, sometimes I feel bad about this but it’s just my inquisitive nature.

This is hilarious. I have done almost every one of these things here. My husband (a reporter no less) has gotten annoyed when I’ve written about him. And I have learned to bite back the automatic grammar corrections except when it comes to our daughter. But I think them. A thousand times a day!

There’s nothing like confidence. I’m sure you would make a very interesting lunch date.

Classic journalist making broad statements which adhere to stereotypes.

I dont agree with this…boost your ego! anybody can be a journalist now a day! all you need is an idea and a keyboard!

Tom, thank you for the article—this is so true……..thanks! from a fellow journalist

Forgot to ad that part about will never be off work in time to spend any quality time with you.

You arrogant SOB! And what’s worse is that it’s all true.

Used to be a journalist, now I’m on the dark side.

While I agree with the vast majority of your list, I take issue with the “We’re paid to write everyday therefore we are the supreme writers of the world!” theory. (Obviously I’m paraphrasing)

I would argue that at least half of the time a journalist’s writing is sloppy, boring and predictable. Modern journalism could use more creativity and less drivel.

I suppose my overall point is that, on average, the worst writing I read every day comes from some form of print media.

You’re a conservative, American journalist? Well that explains a lot. No wonder the ego is so large.

How’s that for generalizations and stereotyping?

I think you may want to take a broad look at how seriously lousy American journalism is in general before making such grand statements about your writing and overall superiority.

So, how exactly does one say “f*ck off!” in the Queen’s English?

And we will question the usage of the word “love” when it is out of context or not the right word choice.

I, too, am a journalist that married a journalist! And I couldn’t be happier!

Ha! It’s eerie how similar this is to being a stand-up comedian (with an MBA). Interesting how many morons automatically assume that IQ is inversely proportionate to the size of a chick’s rack too (generally, that’s not the case when they’re real…yes, another stereotype).

For the most part, journalists are a bunch of thick-lens-eye-glass wearing, macbook-toting narcissists.

They should not date or procreate.

One important thing you left out is that we are blunt. If there is a question, we will ask it. No matter how uncomfortable it makes the other person feel. Why? Because it’s been pounded into our tough little skulls from day one in the newsroom. I had editors send me back three times to ask all the right questions, and to be direct about it. Eventually I learned. But, my family hates my bluntness and others usually are surprised – though rarely intimidated – by it.
Even three years later, it’s a great piece!

Oh no, I’m doomed.
It’s all true!

#6. They will confuse bloggers with journalists and “5 Things You Should Know Before Dating a Journalist” with journalism.

Wow, this piece is arrogant.

Journalists are the most ignorant gold-diggers on the planet. They aren’t delving into intricacies, as this guy claims. They go for the easy and the shallow.

What a bunch of bull. I’m a sportswriter and I’m around them constantly. They’re not the assholes women continually fall for? Really? Journalism is full of good guys and bad. Nice trying to make journalists sound like suave fantasy creatures who are smarter than, oh, maybe everyone else on earth. You’re publishing YOUR fantasy.

And, #3 is why you’re single, so there you go! Good job there, brilliant journalist! Oh, by the way, ex-journalist here. I say “ex” because I left the newspaper world three years ago. I make over twice as much now, and I write for enjoyment. “Not a writer?” Whatever helps you sleep (alone) at night, bud! ;)

Knowledge of grammar, syntax, zoning laws, cuisine, pop culture, local music events and politics as a definition of an all-encompassing intellect?

And *pop culture* makes the list of reasons why you’re smarter than everyone else?

Really?

I guess that explains why so many journalists seem to resent us “sciencey” types, and why they take such pleasure in correcting our grammar when presented the chance.

This is the most boring article I’ve ever read. And I should know, I’ve written some shockers.

You can google the shit out of writer. LOVE IT!

That is brilliant! Thank you, Tom! Thank you for helping me explain myself to my girlfriend.

I love this! I’m pretty sure I’ve been both praised and criticized for everything on this list. We’re not perfect or better than anyone else, but I love doing this for a living.v

Absolutely love this! Makes me feel better about why I’m single now.

and somewhere, i’m as a journalist can grab more attention than you’re not a journalist.
sorry i’m the winner, and you, go to hell :)

How about hooking up with a fellow journalist? ;-)

Wow, this has succeeded in making me never want to date a journalist again, ever. And I majored in journalism in college.

@ Tassia: Someone else has that covered: “Journalists like dating each other because only fellow journalists understand the phrase: ‘Not tonight dear, I’m on deadline.’”

http://www.stuffjournalistslike.com/2008/12/69-dating-other.html

Hehehe. Am a journalist married to a journalist (we’re still together after 7 years! A miracle) in the Philippines – where they shoot us for being journalists. :)

I love this article, though there are a few more rules my hubby and I live by: A) Do not ask me who my sources are. I’ll never tell you and that is for your own good. Hell, I’d never tell on my sources unless it’s a matter of national security. B) Don’t think I was with another person in a sexual way if I don’t come home early or I don’t tell you all about what I was doing. You’ll get to read about it when it comes out. Honest. C) I may miss our anniversaries, or a planned vacation, but I’ll always have a good story for you about the why.

this also applies to women journalists..great post…

I once wrote a column about my ex – when he was still my boyfriend – about a funny conversation we’d had. Well, I thought it was funny. He did not, especially when a friend told him about it and asked how he liked his ’15 minutes of fame’. OMG, you would’ve thought I’d posted a naked photo of his willy on the internet.

Luckily, my fiance totally digs it when I exploit our lives for financial gain :-)

@Tom Chambers: So true.

I so love this! Adding you to my blog roll now.

I graduated journalism like three weeks ago, and right now, I’m jobless. That’s cos I’m lazy to find work yet. Probably scared with what comes (and doesn’t come) with the job but you’re right all the way, dude! Especially with the sexiness of the occupation! :)

Heehee. I love this! :D

As a trainee journalist, I’m sending this to my husband so he’ll understand what’s happening to me!

And as for journalistic accuracy, as a little girl I was once in a house fire in which my mother managed to get everybody out without injury.

What did the new report say:

“Young mother and two small boys were rescued by a passer-by last night…” Er hum

I hope not to become that kind of journalist.

This list is humorous and could apply to people in many professions. Much of it is human nature.

#6: We are poor and we belong to a dying profession. But we beat on, boats against the current…

Ha, I was loving the hell out of this article and then realized it was Tom Chambers – Hey! This is Melanie from CSUSM – former editor of The Pride. LOVE this article. Good to see you are still out there writing!

I have a PhD in English and am struggling to find a tenure track position in an corporatizing university culture that favors creating contract work over new full time jobs. I write every day in order to build up my research profile. I write about theory, politics, history, religions and in a far more complex register than the average journalist. I don’t get paid for it. Maybe that’s why I’m humble about what I do and why you have turned churning out filler for our 24/7 media machine into such a holy crusade.

And besides, isn’t it the case that news is written for the fifth grade reading level?

This guys is correct about most journalists being arrogant. I have never been able to figure out why.

Since truth is what journalists pat themselves on the back for, I take serious issue with this list.

1. We’re observers, not doers. If we wanted to DO something we’d be the people we cover. We’re actually wallflowers.

2. We’re stressed a lot, and poor. Don’t expect nice dinners, digs. Expect to go Dutch.

3. We have inflated our self importance to deal with being stressed and poor, and also with the fact that our life’s work ends up as fleeting fishwrap.

4. We eat terribly and tend to be paunchy.

5. We will never, ever live up to your Clark Kent-esque expectations, or our own.

We do apparently need to get laid, since we write these self-aggradizing lists.

–Perspective of a reformed journalist.

From one journalist who is about to marry another: hilarious and true! Thanks for making me laugh this Friday morning (shortly after getting my pay cut yet again due to declining ads and budget cuts). Perhaps by the time the wedding comes around in September there will be just one journalist in our new family…

I’ve made the mistake of dating a so-called “journalist.” While they do tend to get off correcting people’s English, I have found them to be quite un-intelligent. Sleeping with sources, or as a way to get ahead, is an idea nobody bothered to tell them was a bad one. The writing was “ok” but definitely not prime-time material.

The worst part of dating a “journalist” is the utter lack of a reasonable understanding of facts. They will subjectively choose to get three sources for one thing, and none for another. Whatever fits their predisposed opinion works and they’ll fill in the blanks later in their work or private lives. Even though they can be dead wrong, the arrogance shown by the author of this post is only the tip of the iceberg.

Here is a tip for “journalists” who think they’re so smart. You’re usually not. That’s why you’re asking questions you don’t know the answers to all day. It wasn’t your “ego” we fell for, it was the illusion of intelligence.

Maybe my experience was unusual, I never really considered this person a “journalist,” even less of one now. So maybe the larger question is the extremely loose definition of the word “journalist,” and the amount of kids fresh off the college newspaper circuit who think they’re one because they wrote an article about a cat in a tree in Deluth.

Jen @8:04am, THAT is much more accurate.

After reading this, I’m not sure I want to go to bed even with myself. We are a pompous breed.

When I get off tonight, I’m going to go home, kiss my wife’s feet and thank her for putting up with this shit. Hopefully, she won’t use my vulnerable position to kick me for being woken up at the usual ungodly hour I come home.

Wow. I’m currently dating a journalist….but thanks to your article, not for long!
Thanks Tom. You saved me a lot of wasted time.

Brilliant. Except #4. Smart journalist never interrupt the nookie. Still single Tom?

6) Every ride through town becomes a macaber trip through the crime blotter. Guy shot on that corner. Child molseter worked at that day care. Dead body in that parking garage. Cop raped a hooker there. Teen pimp operates out of that apartment. My drug dealer works that corner.

Well done – now your great piece has made it to Danish social sites. Great fun. (And a little true too.)

With that type of writing, don’t think you’ll remain single for long… Love the brain baby !! The French photographer !

If you only knew what a narcissistic weenie you sound like! Unfortunately, the tone and tenor of this tiresome Aria-to-My Self-Absorption is pretty typical of most male, um, “journalists” one encounters…..God, no wonder it’s dying as a profession.

Chambers’ rant pretty much sums up everything that’s wrong with journalism today. Also explains why he’s single. I’ve been a working journalist for more than 30 years, and I’d say it took me at least 25 of them to get over the arrogance that this man so obviously displays. No wonder people hate us. Chambers must be very young.

Obviously written by a blogger.

If you’re an actual journalist working for a newspaper… you know that opinion and editorial columns don’t go in A4! Silly. That’s the news section.

Oh wait, does that matter anymore?

Good points there, Tom! Even after three years, they remain generally true.

I am a journalist and you are a retard.

Can you write a blog on the five rules of dating a douche?

@Byron! … uhm … don’t?

I don’t think you nailed what a journalist is down to a “T” at all, as some have mentioned above. I respect you opinions and you have some truths in there but, I disagree. Now before anyone gets in a huff or anything I am a journalist myself, print not broadcast or radio, print because I prefer writing; I just plain disagree and I can justify why I think certain aspects of what you’ve written here are wrong, but obviously that’s my personal opinion only so…

Many of this negative comments here are just a proof of the original text. Someone wrote a humorous text many can relate to, but other journalists fear that it could be true which would be an attack to their ego and go all hyenas on him. You are taking this way too seriously.

I had a great laugh, and I feel sorry for those who find the post offending.

Don’t dissect me for my English, I’m Slovenian.

yah…right…thanks a lot asshole! what do you call a person who writes literary pieces? of course, not a writer according to you…i guess i’m just a person who writes literary pieces because i can’t be called a writer…

There are a few more.
1) If the alcoholism does not ruin your sex life then the premature ejaculation, due to a sad desire to always file first, will do the trick.
2) He will become so puffed up with his own importance that even when you tell him you are leaving him for a person who actually listens to you, he will assume you are hysterical and never believe it until he gets the wedding invite.
3) Despite his vast knowledge of arcane regulations and laws and his boast that he tweets when a congressman farts before anyone even smells it, he will forget your anniversary date and be unable to tell you how to how much milk costs.
4) You will have to support him when he gets made redundant in the next five years because he will then insist he can make a living by blogging on a subject so dull that not even other ‘writers’ will read it. Google ads will not pay even the cat’s food. He will not have a pension.
5) He is shagging his colleague in the stationery cupboard. She is 21 and very bored.

haha. funny. on second thought, i’ve never really dated any journalist but i guess, one way or the other, the rules apply just the same to activists.hehehe

This post speaks the truth! A very entertaining read, as you creatively expressed your opinions enough to make me laugh out loud the entire time.

My personal favorites are #1 and #5. As a soon to be graduate student at the West Virginia University School of Journalism, I fit the mold of these two in particular. So many men I have dated think they can get by with fibbing about anything, whether it’s of true value or not. Little do they know though how nothing gets by me. Eventually, thanks to my journalistic background, I will uncover the truth… and you will feel incredibly lame for actually thinking I even believed you initially.

No point in underestimating a driven, passionate woman, as you mentioned in #5. The life of a journalist can be demanding, and we are ridiculed and undermined all the time. It takes true passion to devote your life to this field. However, I wouldn’t have it any other way. :) Thanks for such a great post!

We spend all day separating fact from fiction, listening to PR cronies and dealing with slimy politicians.

As a flack, I send this out to the hacks: I will believe you don’t want us around when I stop seeing my press releases copied verbatim and submitted to your editors as original articles. I will buy that we’re useless when you stop calling me to research your story for you.

Journalists? Failed writers is more like it.

Who would want to be a journalist when you can actually be on the NYT Best-Seller list, or making 30K a day as a screenwriter? That’s where the real talent lies.

“Your ignorance is our inspiration.”

“unless you’re really hot, then hell, you’re a better writer than I.”

“We’re not trying to call you dumb (even though you don’t understand the English language)”

This guy can’t master basic grammar, thinks we’re stupid, and will write horrific things about whomever he’s dating under the auspices of “truth?” I’m shocked…just shocked that he’s single. I can’t imagine why women wouldn’t want to date this ignorant, patronizing, malicious asshole.

This is a fine work of douchbagery. Well done. Well done.

I was with you until #3. I’m one of those cranky editors — you know, the ones who fix your grammar, check your facts and tell you to come back when your article’s good enough for us.

I know just as much as you do, about just as many things, and articulate that knowledge properly and accurately the first time. But instead of writing about my awesomeness, I’m spending my time making your prose live up to your hype.

Frankly, I’m insulted. I’d suggest that we sit down and hash this out on behalf of all writers and journalists next time you’re in L.A., but you might jump to the wrong conclusion. Sorry, dude, but I only fall for assholes who can occasionally admit that I have a point. And I really don’t think you’d be able to admit that there’s something to my contention that Ayn Rand’s objectivism is just a short-sighted distillation of utilitarianism, without any of the tempering of the English Enlightenment writers.

“Don’t be surprised if we’re not impressed when you say, “I’m a writer, too.” No, you are not. The fact that you sit in a coffee shop wearing black while scribbling in your journal does not make you a writer. ”

You’re not talking about Neil Gaiman, are you? Because more often than not, he likes to hang-out in coffee shops, handwriting in a journal notebook. Did I mention that he likes to wear black? He’s a writer too. But I know him, and I don’t know you.

And yes, the reasoning why you’re suspending the comment limit is because your blog is now getting hits, and people are noticing you. Nice trolling.

Bet you didn’t realize when you wrote this that there’s no excuse for being an insufferable asshole. Being a boorish pig isn’t exactly a turn-on, no matter how “perfect” your grammar is. And by the way, so glad you avoided discussion of looks…you’re no Gael García Bernal.

You clearly do not value mutual respect in your relationships. That’s sad and reeks of insecurity issues on your part. You’re a jerk and I feel bad for any woman that falls prey to your douchebaggery and illusions of grandeur. Do you always make it a point to date women whom you think are beneath you? Think, by the way, being the operative word.
As a journalist you should know that the way you’re phrasing these issues are offensive and degrading to all the “future” women that will date journalists. Clearly, that must have been your aim. If not, you’re an idiot. If so, you’re a douchebag. Either way, you’re a loser.

#3 does not describe intelligence, it describes pedantry. Grammar is the easy part of writing. And it’s not nearly as rigid as you seem to believe.

This just makes journalists seem like less intelligent, shallow, and pedantic academics.

You sound like an arrogant ass. It’s no surprise you’re single.

Why why why are we saying “thank you” for this post (especially my fellow girls? Good God, don’t encourage this shit.)? It’s hard to applaud someone for being so up-front and proud about his tool-ness. Sheesh.

why would anyone ever want to date you?

@Ali if you think we’re such fakes and “failed writers” you pick up a goddamn pen and write an article and try to “sell” it to the public and lets see how you do! I resent your attitude both as a journalist, writing fact-based stories to inform the public and also as a writer who writes fiction too (may not be published yet but I do it) you should have the balls to actually put more than your first name and then come verbally attack us! If we’re so redundant then get off your lazy ass and go research and find your own goddamn news to stay informed. And you’re lucky I’ve refrained and somewhat censored myself, up to a certain point, or you would not like the result. I may not agree with some of the stuff he’s said here granted but you have crossed the LINE and then some! I have no respect for people such as yourself! Also you’d do well to learn to respect people because clearly that is a major character flaw of yours!

Hey, how come he the article didn’t mention anything about the low pay for journalists?

“And yes, ladies, I’m single.”

Thanks, but I’ll take my chances on random assholes I meet at a bar.

And no, you’re not smarter than I am. Correcting another person’s grammar does not signify intelligence and will get you nothing more than an eye roll from the majority of intelligent women.

The hilarious thing is that, despite your supposed dedication to the job, and your disdain for amateurs, it says right at the top of the page that you’re NOT a journalist.

You’re a journalist and bartender? So, you don’t even have a full-time journalist’s job? And presumably you can’t actually drop everything for your Jimmy Olsen dream of chasing that big story? You have to finish your shift and wipe the ashtrays, THEN live the life of a hard-bitten cynical hack?

You come across as a wanna-be. I guess we know why.

LOL! I like that one of the reasons why this man thinks he’s smarter than women is knowing how “to find the good restaurants.” Thanks, but I prefer Yelp. Tom Chambers just seems much more distant and robotic than my computer.

Don’t worry, I won’t tell your cranky editors you don’t know all the definitions of the word “anxious:” http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anxious

5 things you need to know about why this guy is still single:
1) he thinks he’s smarter and more talented than you, but based on the lackluster writing in this article actually isn’t
2) the false sense of confidence in his intelligence and abilities is actually off-putting and pathetic, not attractive
3) he says “put you to bed” as a euphemism for sex and probably corrects your grammar while he’s doing it. puts you right in the mood, doesn’t it?
4) he thinks god was probably a journalist, they’re really that important
5) the picture to the right is not enough to get you past numbers 1-4

Heck, I’m leaning towards the idea that you are one good writer. I’ll even go out on a limb and say that by writing this attentiongetter–badboy– blog, that you played your card decently. So, at the risk of telling you that I’m a writier, too, I’ll say that I don’t think you’re an arrogant a**hole because then, that would make you smile. But I will say that you’re clever. Yep . . . clever. And I can dig that!

This comment is for Rose, the editor, from LA—I’m with you. And I don’t know if you’ll see this comment, so I’ll make it short: you fell into his game by getting upset. That’s his schtick. He’s a badboy who believes that any press is better than no press. Gotta give him props!

Pretty sure others have said it for me already, but: wow. You sure are full of yourself.

Another note: many journalists distinguish themselves by a distinctive style. Yours seems to be full of pretend-questions and back-patting. Also, good journalists tend not to generalize and insult their audience (“you ladies”). This may be part of the reason you write for rockmycar.net and not, say, a newspaper.

I’m glad that your requirements of possessing great intellect include a knowledge of zoning laws and pop culture. This isn’t an episode of Jeopardy.

Remind me to never date this guy. And if any of this is true remind me to never date a journalist. Why would I want to be with someone who thinks they are superior to me in all aspects of life. I guess he goes for really brainless girls but hey- at least they’re “really hot”. I guess any woman who is “attracted to your arrogant air” has no self worth and is into mentally abusive relationships.

Anyone whose favorite book is _Atlas Shrugged_ is not qualified to judge anyone else’s intelligence or writing ability (as per items 1 and 3 on the list).

Whew, I can practically smell the douchebaggery as I read this article (its almost as if it gets stronger as I move “towards” my computer screen)

Not that I care, but boy do you ever need to get over yourself.

Kathy (Grenada) – and I get shit for correcting someone’s grammar & I’m an English teacher. You can’t imagine how many times I’ve bitten my tongue! Guess it’s one of the hazards of the profession.

Sadly, I think the vast majority of those reading this will be other journalists!

@valentine defrancis: Nah, I’m not upset – just exasperated. I run into this schtick a lot: “Women only like arrogant assholes, so I’m going to be the best arrogant asshole of them all!” It’s almost always a cover for some deep-seated insecurity, and that creates a fear that we’ll figure them out, which leads to more arrogance. Lather, rinse, repeat — somewhere far away from me.

Really, you could call this post “5 things you should know before you date an entomologist” and swap out “write” for “study insects.” Proportionately, it would be as applicable to as many entomologists as this one is to journalists. Douchebaggery knows no profession.

Whatever. Enjoy the fleeting publicity, Tom. When it’s over, and you’ve neither made any money off of it nor found someone who thinks you’re charming, your stack of Ayn Rand books will adoringly listen to your every declaration, without having the gall to talk back.

One Thing You Should Know Before Dating This Journalist:

1) I’m a douchebag.

nice. unfortunately, a lot of journalists have been losing their jobs, so it would be good to be a little modest at times. and a time when the media has become more democratized, any body, even those who don’t know shit about grammar, can call themselves journalists :)

Btw, you’re cute. :)

This is an awesome list! So so true!!! :) This is true about me and every other journo i’ve known!

But for the self-indulgent arrogance, this could have been written by an interesting person.

I was laughing so hard when I read this! I have been reading it to all of my friends! It is so on the mark! Another single journalist…imagine that! Some people just don’t know what they have until it’s gone.

Sorry Tom Chambers, but as a woman and fellow journalist, I think you sound like an arrogant douche bag. If I was on a date with you I’d jab your hand with a fork.

#6… we have no money!

Alternatively, 5 things that will make journalists who are conceited morons feel better about being single.

“Don’t be surprised if we’re not impressed when you say, ‘I’m a writer, too.’ No, you are not. ”

According to whom? Beyond you, I mean. I haven’t met many people who claim to be writers unless they actually do write. If someone’s penned an entire novel, but hasn’t attempted to have it published, are they still not a writer? If the novel is of a quality on par with “The Picture of Dorian Gray”, does it still not count if they’re not paid for it? How about a journalist who is absolute sh*t at what s/he does, but gets paid anyway? Does that person deserve the title? What about people who write upwards of four hundred words of a story per day, for their own personal enjoyment? Do they not qualify despite the sheer amount of, you know, actual writing that they do?

If you’re going to make such a statement, you need to extrapolate upon it. The attempted simplicity really leaves much to be desired.

There is a reason that so many people with a personality similar to yours are single, and I assure you that it has nothing to do with profession.

@ mallory: Nicely Put. LOVE IT!
I am a journalist and I think Tom over here is overrating those in the profession. It’s this kind of self-indulging blather that mislead people into thinking journalism is “cool” and by extension all journalist are too. The end result is it attracts leather jacket wearing morons who are devoid of wit or intelligence. Not to mention their egos tend to surpass the peak of Mount Everest. They are so self-observed in acting intelligent they forget to learn to be one. Most male in the profession think they are such a “lady-killer” and the female think they are “all that,” whatever that means in urban slang…. I could go on.
I blame Hollywood movies, and now Tom Chambers, for blemishing my beloved profession.

Well… forget dating…I married one!

As a communications professional, I cannot agree more with Number 4. The adrenaline rush of the job beats anything else, including sex!!

Dear Tom,
Number 5 to me looks to be a thinly veiled cry of “Don’t Leave Me!” See, I, too, can “wade through the bullshit.” ;-)

This is amazing…and I’ve noticed that, with few exceptions, the only folks who don’t agree with the post are those who are on the outside looking in! Great read. :)

Love it!! im a freelance feature journalist…..just loved the article and could relate to every single point!! :)

Well… thts wht leaves us single mostly (btw I’m a journalist)…

Oh great!! Being a journalist, I couldn’t agree more with the five points. Moreover, these are facts so there can’t be two ways about it, what say?!!
If only more and more people got enlightened about these truths about us!

Lighten up everyone… I actually think Tom has a sense of humour..

All of you self-important fools calling him a douchbag are obviously the ones taking yourselves too seriously.

I love journalists. As a cameraman, I love to work with them. And really enjoy their company

Miow

with someone who obviously thinks the world of himself, im not surprised u’re still single. in fact, u sound off-putting and way over your head arrogant. and i’m a journalist myself
the world has changed, people dont pore over words journalists write anymore. newspapers are shutting down in the US. your shit ain’t made of gold. get a grip.

Thank you for this entertaining piece.. After dating a lot of different men with different professions, my conclusion is: If you are a journlist, you should marry a journalist. It works for me!

People should know that working in the same building as journalists and being a board op doesn’t make you a jornalist. You actually have to be a talent on camera or on air, or in print to be a journalist. Producers aren’t journalists.

Really, this is just insanely narcissistic. A more realistic list:
1. We are judging you, looking at you from outside with an eye that is lizard-like and cruel. We will reach conclusions that are rock-hard yet not necessarily true.
2. We will transfer our arguments into print, where we have all the control and you have no right of reply.
3. We think we’re better than you. You might earn more money than us and have to be much smarter than us to do your job, but it won’t matter.
4. Our classic Narcissistic Personality Disorder requires us to treat our shitty job writing pedestrian articles as though it’s the most important thing in the world; also, there are twelve younger people lining up to do our job, so editors can ask whatever they wish.
5. We work twelve hour days, eat badly and rush across town sweating. At the end of the day, we will stink, but it won’t matter because we won’t have the energy to drag ourselves onto you anyway. If we’re not fat now, don’t worry, we’re getting fatter. Of course, one day we might be columnists (fake journalists), which will mean we don’t work hard, but our egos will swell into enormity, at which time it’s probably best to leave.
6. We meet attractice, brilliant people and fall in love with them on a daily basis. Eventually, we will be unfaithful.

I’m a journo, just a more realistic one.

No wonder you’re single. (If I used the wrong your/you’re pardon my fail English douchebag)

How can anyone find this piece seriously offensive or this guy arrogant when it is really just – funny. Maybe the author did have someone in particular on mind while adding some details like “…The fact that you sit in a coffee shop wearing black while scribbling in your journal does not make you a writer. Nor does the fact that you “wrote some poems in high school” or that one day you want to pen “the great American novel…” So, what? Was this supposed to be a serious observation on journalists’ mental profile? No, It’s hilarious and pretty much true (I was a journalist in printed media for over 15 years, I can tell you it is!) Oh, grow up! And please don’t try pointing out my English mistakes, it’s not my native language, but you get the idea, right?

Pretentious, conceited, pathetic.

Nobody with an actual, productive, insightful mind would type such arrogance.

You’re nothing.

It’s why you typed this on your computer for no cost.

You’re a true disgrace to your industry.

But feel free to pat yourself on the back, just make sure you don’t break it.

Apply yourself professionally.

You’re obviously trying to find a niche.

Love,

Nik Tary

Hahahaha, too true. Luckily I married my Mrs before she had a chance to read this, she would have thought twice had she known what was in store.

It’s so sad that so many people just don’t understand irony and sarcasm in this post. Another thing to add to the list: We journalists are a cynical bunch of people. That’s just the way we are. Sometimes normal people don’t understand our jokes, or they think we’re talking seriously or that we’re laughing at them when we’re actually not. So we feel better around people of the same mindset.

English is my second language so forgive my mistakes.

from a journalist to another, THANK YOU for this brilliant write-up!

6. We see things in black, white and grey.. so don’t fret if we are being cynical most time.

My ex used to say, he always feels alone even when I’m with him.. because my mind always wonders around. In the end he said, he just cannot compete with my job. Can we consider this as occupational hazard? But nicely put. Give some ideas to guys who think it is Lois Lane Sexy to date jounalists

Good write-up! I am single too! LOL!

You are a bit smug and it’s a bit insular to forget the international/global aspects of the job but this is truly funny and so very true for one journalist who married another. Well done!

Very true by all means. It has been now 2 years and I am attracted to this journalist. It is so hard to even like any other man, or find any other man as smart, entertaining and well read as him. We live miles and miles apart, but just the idea of him makes me smile and be happy. Recently, I spent a whole week with him, and all what you said is very true. Lovely article, thank you for enlightening us … the women. Yet, with all this, I still believe that dating a journalist is a lifetime adventure.

Maybe:

No. 6: We’re always broke so non-journalist friends end up with the dinner bill…sorry. Please understand. Sometimes we even forget to pay bills on time because we’re so busy, only to realise it when the cell phone calls end up barred by the telco company.

No. 7: Mum/siblings/relatives: I’m not sure what time I’ll be done today. Don’t wait up, or how about rescheduling when I can take leave (provided the leave don’t get cancelled at last minute).

No. 8: Boyfriend: I will try to make it to your uncle’s wedding/nephew’s christening/family dinner/…etc…but I can’t promise and I don’t like breaking my promises.

No. 9: We probably end up missing appointments with doctors/dentist/etc when we are the ‘guest of honour’. It seems like our health take a backseat when we smell a scoop somewhere.

“Don’t be surprised if we’re not impressed when you say, “I’m a writer, too.” No, you are not. ”

“Don’t be surprised if we’re not impressed when you say, “I’m a photographer too.” No, you are not. You have never taken your camera off manual, spent 6 months on photo story or waited 5 hours in a hot parking lot for a 30sec perp walk. ”

“ And you have never taken crap from your co-workers aka reporters or the desk that you aren’t a real journalist because all you do is push a button.”

Or:
“Don’t be surprised if we’re not impressed when you say, “I’m a photographer too.” No, you are not. You have never taken your camera off automatic, spent 6 months on photo story or waited 5 hours in a hot parking lot for a 30sec perp walk. ”

“ And you have never taken crap from your co-workers aka reporters or the desk that you aren’t a real journalist because all you do is push a button.”

Does the fact that so many people aren’t picking up on the self-mockery mean journalists really are smarter? Or does the fact that I’m so smugly pointing this out mean that I, as a journalist, am in fact an asshole?

I’m half intrigued and half repulsed by what I’ve read here. And, I think that might even be what you were going for when you wrote this.

And not all journalists are MEN! And these points pretty much describe the XXers as well.

I agree with the vast majority of this blog… excepting the part where the assumption is made that anyone who works for a newspaper is a “journalist”. These creatures are not created simply by their being hired in this profession. Quite the contrary in Tallahassee, Florida. Most of the local newspaper’s staff are NOT journalists, but have the attitude that is referred to in this piece.
A true journalist that posesses the “abilities”, and actually walks the walk, deserves this fine column, and its accompanying slack to be cut… but those with little or no journalistic experience, nor much talent for the task, simply do NOT qualify for such slack, and should seek other employment more in line with their differing talents. Just IMHO.

It doesn’t shock me since I’ve been around journalists for most of my life. They are (mostly) intelligent people with a lot to say but unlike you, Tom Chambers, don’t openly broadcast their dating lives (no matter how pathetic).

This describes the attitude of most journos I know, but not the facts. They’re mostly of average intelligence, and don’t ever get anything that resembles the whole story.
But they ARE always broke and DO put their jobs before everything else.

Uh, you’re missing a big point. YOU’re FRICKIN’ poor so you can’t pay for anything, because journalists will never make any money. You also likely drink too much and/or smoke.

Journalist dudes are the biggest nerds, really. But I married a sports guy. They’re slightly less nerdy.

well the only photojournalist i dated turned out to be a liar and a cheater.. so hope all the rest of ya arent like that

Is it any wonder the author of this essay is single?! OMG! Broke, arrogant and an asshole–what a catch! LOL!

6) Most journalists today are a self-important lot whose ignorant and small-minded drivel pollutes society. They’re the folks nobody liked in school so now they try to exact revenge by taking sanctimonious swipes at people who actually contribute something to the world. They make stuff up to get attention, rather than earning it the old-fashioned way by investigating facts and marshaling diverse viewpoints. They’re too lazy and entitled to spend the time and do the legwork required to support concepts they’re too ironic and cynical to embrace, such as truth and justice. Instead, they use modern technologies to cut and paste groupthink stories that are mostly useless to the public. They can be counted upon to tout themselves and express their mainly vacuous opinions, but make others want to hold their nose.

Almost forgot: journalists believe they’re smarter than us.

(That’s the joke.)

I’m not a journalist but I’ve dated some. I don’t know if it was just a coincidence, but with all of them, the sex was terrible, the conversations were way too intense, and they all seemed emotionally stunted.
All of the journalists I know personally are either single or divorced–it doesn’t seem to make for a healthy psyche or for healthy adult relationships. To make things worse, the number of good journalists are far and few between. Seems like a fail all around.

Kelli Zink is dating herself again loser !

Is it any wonder journalism is in steep decline? Is it a mystery why journalism around the world is in a chaotic, fragmented, unethical and largely anti-social state? Get a load of the BS posited by this joooornalist… and the comments from other joooornalists about how much they luuuurve his ‘tude.

Journalism is dead. And Tom Chambers and other joooornalists of his ilk is why. Get used to it.

After this list I just thought: somebody will only feel fine with a journalist if he/she is a journalist too!
:D

Whatever. I’ll date a journalist for amusement but marry a doctor or a lawyer. They got into their chosen professions. You did not make the cut so now you’re all talk :)

really funny content, but extremely poorly written. yikes

I thought this was great and definitely see these traits in me — another journalist. Too bad our dedication to the job doesn’t result in more money.

I know a journalist just like this. She is “A”mazing. Knowing her is changing my life.

Hilarious. Laughed out loud over description of coffee shop writer dressed in black. As a journalist, I winced when I read this. So nuanced. So true. Only another journalist, particularly of the newspaper ilk and who isn’t hypersensitive will get this! Bravo to the copy editors who weighed in. They are indeed the ones who apply our makeup and make us look better that we think we are! Going to send this to ex-boyfriend that I dated while working in Detroit . Once, in middle of night we were awakened by the sound of a flurry of gunshots outside. “Eight gunshots!” he noted. “No, seven,” I corrected, not missing a beat. “Damn reporters,” he muttered before rolling over. This column will make his day!

I’d suggest that before things go too far, you and the journalist get a big bag of popcorn and watch “The Front Page” (any version), “His Girl Friday” (the same story, but with a sex change), “Shock Corridor” and the more recent “The Paper,” all of which have still-true things to say about being involved with an obsessive newspaper reporter or editor.

You can even make it a Cary Grant trifecta with “Wedding Present,” “His Girl Friday” and the more seriously sentimental “Penny Serenade.” Or get a CG box set to add a fourth, “Big Brown Eyes,” in which Grant is a cop romancing a manicurist who becomes a hard-as-nails reporter.

It’s not so much that the films are true — you should be watching your reporter friend’s reactions.

So you’re single… innnnnnteresting. That is all. ;)

Just because you don’t use “toward” doesn’t mean its not a word….you fucking….CIGARETTE. And yes, I AM am a well published writer, and I don’t sit in coffee shops to do it.

Actually, you can say that someone who writes poems or novels isn’t a writer all you want. But what you’re writing is straight from someone else’s mouth. The only work you have to do is get them to say it, then re-word it so you aren’t plagiarizing. Unless you’re putting it in quotes. Then all you have to do is add quotation marks and a name. And the majority of the people who are reading what you write are only picking it up because of the name of the newspaper, magazine, etc. You don’t even know they’re reading the part you wrote. However, in order to writ a poem, short story, novel, etc., you have to actually write everything on your own. That qualifies one as a more talented writer by itself. And then, the people who are reading those works, are reading them because that person wrote them, not just because it’s in the paper they pick up to skim through everyday.

I’m going to have to agree with Lacey, actually :)

another reminder of why print journalism is on its way out. oh look, this articles online! haha!

Excellent! And if you’re dating a *freelance* journalist, compound all of the above by lack of good assignments/money/prompt payment.

It’s a good thing I’m a great, uh, cook.

For God’s sake, everyone should know the difference BETWEEN between and among! It’s particularly irksome when a “journalist” uses the wrong word in a newscast. Journalists should know better and, if they don’t, copy editors should know better. Aaaaaaaagh!

I’m a journalist. And i think you’re a cock. Or an asshole. Or, perhaps, you’re a cock moving towardS an asshole.

As a single, female journalist, I LOVE IT!!!!

I’m married to a fellow journalist…we met through our first jobs in TV. Yes, we have crazy schedules….but everyone else out there is so…boring. Plus, we completely understand each other when talking about work…unlike friends and family.

Adding to this…

6)

While the male version you’ve just read about is arrogant, cocky and full of himself, the female version is actually quite the opposite.

Confident, driven and smart, female journalists are often single because, yes, its THAT hard to find a man progressive enough to handle the fact that women can in fact work just as much as men and do just as much.

If you do manage to woo one of these lovely ladies, consider yourself very lucky. Not only are you with a woman who will wow your boss and colleagues at dinner with her witty banter, but will also bring home the dough, teach you a thing or two about balancing life and work, attend weddings and parties, cover major stories across the world and still manage to be home and by your side when you need her.

Just don’t be surprised when she dumps your ass because you decided you were better than her and acted out points 1 through 5 above.

Of course “towards” is a word! I’m not trying to call you dumb but it seems that you are the one who doesn’t “understand the English language.” As the name implies, English comes from England, and in England we say “towards” Look up the word in the dictionary, it’s there, it exists!

Dude! This isn’t just for “Dating” a journalist though – this should be “5 things you should expect when hanging out with a journalist”…

Let’s be honest, we don’t just apply these things to people we date – we apply it to EVERYONE in our lives… Maybe not our dogs….

one very important thing!

no u can not play solitaire (i smtimes can)

my Phone and comp are my sacred weapons of mass destruction and must not be touched for any purpose unless authorized!!!

almost 40 years after I took up this profession,I have now come to know why I react in a particular manner in a given situation(all very identical to your piece) and why people close to us react in a particular manner.
Hats off to you for helping our clan to rediscover ourselves.looking at the mirror may not be pleasant all the times.

I got this forwarded to me by City Times’ incoming editor in chief today! Talk about six degrees of separation.

Hope all is well!

Roman

hmm there are many things about journalists that are not exactly ‘normal’. we work too many hours, not paid enough, or relationships suffer terribly, family do not understand us, people think we are arrogant because we know the facts (this is amusing sometimes), you are popular but do not really care about it, we scrutinize and intimidate everyone around us lol …indeed we are interesting….the list goes on

no money, no job security and the extreme likeliness of a move, either for career advancement, breaking news or bureau rotation.

Also, most bloggers are not writers. That ought to be noted.

This is Awesome, I wish I had this to show others in the past, it would have made the break up faster or make the relationship last longer. Im a new journalist, more of a creative director, but this explains so much, No.1, Great Point, We always figure it out.. lol

Journalists think the unusual is the ‘real’ world. 99.9% of the real world has nothing for them to report about. Of the .1% they actually deal with, it is done superficially. No PHD’s on a narrow topic here folks.

So be prepared for them making big things out of nothing, dismissing the importance of understanding something in depth (such as a relationship) and thinking reporting on a cure for cancer is equivalent to actually finding a cure for cancer.

FYI, “towards” IS a word. Maybe not in America, though

This reinforces the perception that journalists are pretentious. Maybe that’s why people don’t like them.

That’s one thing other people do not understand. Breaking news, especially if you are working for a newswire, means every seconds count. My ex once shouted at me for cutting her off mid-conversation as one of the top companies had just released their quarterly results (I am a financial journalist). She was like you could not hold it for a minute. Wish she could understand that holding for a minute was sacrilegious; we won’t hold it for even a micro-second especially the newswire guys. Needless to say she broke off with me within six months time. Now-a-days, I am with a doc, she to an extent understands me.

Despite that, you’re not as good as you think you are…

If only all out there would be content or at peace with what we have to offer as journalists,then perhaps our “personal lives” would be a better place to be.

Get used to if we have to flirt with someone in order to access some information… Don’t take it personal.

very spot on

Thank you for opening people’s eyes. As a journalist in Uganda, ladies have been complaining that i do not have time. I think they have now understood….

This is naive blabbering is propably written by a freshman who after his first internship feels like a seasoned veteran of the news. Why would a journalist insist on being a prick?

Merriam-Webster’s dictionary lists “towards” as a correct alternative to “toward”. And it’s an American dictionary, published in the States!

Absolutely true, hilarious and HOT.
I’ve worked with the media for six years, and I can’t find one thing wrong on the list. I love this.

I haven’t read something that’s so intriguiging about what I do everyday! Not to mention something as interesting since I put down the last Dan Brown read. I have found a shield or an explanation for my behaviour lol. Now there would be no longer accusations about being selfish – sending it to my girlfriend right now.

Thanks,
Journo

Come to Africa. Nobody seems to care about correct spelling or grammar here… And loads of us will read what you write if it amuses us – which you have done.

And for all the single ladies wondering about journos, well, they’re a hell of a lot easier to deal with than snappers!

So true!

“Tracy Mangold at 9:04 p.m. May 11:
As a former television news producer – I have to say that journalists (not all) are some of the most stupid people (ignorant) I have ever met.”

To Tracy, go ask a Filipino to translate my comment on your comment, I’m more comfortable on syaing this in my own language:

Kaming mga nasa lumalabas para kumuha ng istorya ang may tunay na abilidad. Palibhasa taga-katay lang kayo ng mga pinaghirapan namin dahil kayong mga producer/desk na pakape-kape at nagpapa-cute sa mga network boss sa studio, ang mga pinaka-ignorante sa buong organisasyon ng mga tagapag-balita. Ang alam niyo lang ay pilitin kaming abutin ang deadline kahit hindi pa handa ang aming pinagkukunan ng mga balita. Tama si Neko, sa amin ang hirap, sa inyo ang sarap— ng mas malaking sweldo at bragging rights kapag tumabo sa manonood ang programa at nagustuhan ng mga boss.

I’m sure no one will attack my grammar ’cause I used my own language. I bet that the only ones who will care about what I said are true-blood journalists. And I also bet that Tracy wouldn’t be bothered by my comment because she lacks the ideals that we, journalist have. I’m happy for the reporters, cameramen and news writers where you used to work— cause you’re no longer their producer… haha ;-)

Per at 2:15 p.m. May 13:
Wow, this piece is arrogant.
Journalists are the most ignorant gold-diggers on the planet. They aren’t delving into intricacies, as this guy claims. They go for the easy and the shallow.

To Per
I pity my contemporaries in your place— and also the people where you live— because journalists reflect what kind of society they belong… tsk tsk…

So that’s what I’ve been doing wrong… I should be dating a journalist then… Why didn’t anyone tell me sooner? ;) Good read…

Journalists are also manipulative and good at persuading a person.

I love this article…the fact is that many times I have a hard time having conversations and the people that I go out with make stupid comments like “why do you have to be that deep?” or simply nod and then try to say something “smart” that makes no sense…so whenever I find someone that can carry a sensible conversation I sit back in awe and simply listen adding my “two cents” where necessary. The way I see it is that I am here to learn, to understand as many things as I can, to ask questions where I need clarification…and journalists especially the serious ones are quite in touch with the world around them. Unfortunately, though many people state they want a person with a fair amount of intellect, who can understand them and vice versa, they always end up going right back for the “bimbo’s” because the fact is that many people prefer the “I love you baby” a million times a day (like the man/woman never saw a dictionary) as opposed to having a conversation for example about the state of the economy as it relates to psychological, financial, social issues etc. I must say that everything has its time and place. Dating a journalist doesn’t seem too bad as long as he has resolved his need for an occasional “bimbo” and we can work towards enhancing our knowledge via our experiences both individually and as a team.

There’s an added complication. Sometimes things will change. My wife constantly complains that she married a journalist … and ended up with a church minister instead. I’ve also met a few other church leaders who started off in newspapers too so it seems to be a well-trodden path. Be very afraid!

Wow O_0… All I can say is I wish I have seen this article
before everything happened…
As a 20 year old college student with different interest and opinion in life my world is too different from my 28 year old journalist/ segment producer lover. We argue on a lot of things and he really makes me so confused. I’m the one who always settle things. The good thing is when I’m with him he is so intimate.
Having him in my life is a unforgettable experience. I still love him but things are too complicated for us. For a relationship to work there must be a give and take process. This is the first time I’ve been so foolish in love…..All I want is to make him realize something….I pray he would.

I just want to add….I’m proud to be a Filipino :)

cool yo. And this applies to dating researchers too. I insist. XD

am journalist in Uganda but am scared my love if she reads this may leave me

Am a just in Uganda but am scared my wife could leave me if she reads this

if only it were not so boring

A bit self indulgent – I date a journalist and no difference whatsoever from any other bloke…

Oh man this is just GREAT

best regards from Buenos Aires, Argentina :)

Not to defend everything in here, but normal people, get this: Journalists HAVE to be pretentious. We don’t necessarily deserve to, but we have to. You have to be totally full of yourself to walk into a place you’re not supposed to be and ask a lot of really personal questions to get the story. You try to be sensitive and have a heart and not be an ass, but you’re the one who has to ask the questions the public wants to know but doesn’t have the guts to ask. Is it surprising that a lot of us can’t turn that quirk off in our personal lives?

Highly accurate, and extremely enjoyable. This is a wonderful work of art. As a journalism student, this really made me smile.

Yeah, I agree, sounds like a typical young full-of-himself journalist. As a veteran journalist, nothing annoys me more than the self-important cooler-than-thou kids that come into the profession thinking they know it all (I know, you claim to have been in the game for a decade, but it looks like that early tendency hasn’t worn off). They often realize that its just a job when they see how easy it is for management to lay off half the newsroom. Once you learn how to put what you do in perspective, believe me, you will be a better journalist.

Oh, and by the way, I don’t have a lot of faith in your judgment when I see that you are citing an October 2008 incident as an example of why Obama’s healthcare reform legislation means death panels.

From one reporter to another, that is pure brilliance. I tip my hat to you.

Insufferable, arrogant crap. Journalists are sexy? No, bottom feeders are not sexy. You’re just a good-looking, confident guy who happens to be a journalist with faulty logic. That confidence also overextends to your grammatical knowledge. It’s “you’re a better writer than me” not “you’re a better writer than I.” Spend a month or two in the body of most male journalists, and you’ll find out just how un-sexy we are.

As a woman and a journalist married to a non-journalist for many decades, it seems to me that we need a female journalist to tell the guys what to expect … Or do we think the five rules apply to both sexes?

This is from the Oxford English Dictionary:

towards /t’wdz, twdz, ‘tdz/ ( chiefly (N. Amer.) also toward)

?preposition
1. in the direction of: they drove towards the German frontier. ? getting closer to achieving (a goal): moves towards EU political and monetary union. ? close or closer to (a particular time): towards the end of April.
2. expressing the relation between behaviour or an attitude and the person or thing at which it is directed or with which it is concerned: he was warm and tender towards her | our attitude towards death.
3. contributing to the cost of: the council provided a grant towards the cost of new buses.

- ORIGIN Old English tweardes (see to, -ward).

#3″Yes, we think we’re smarter than you. In fact, we know it.”

>learn to speak,write and communicate using binary codes then i’ll accept that thought.

Very true and well put! Nice to be understood at last (and translated for mere mortals). I particularly liked your not-too-subtle suggestion that smart people like us are better, once you get us into bed, lovers than lightweight types (bimbos and himbos):-)

Tom, it may have been written in jest, but there must be more than a modicum of self-belief in your words to even express these thoughts in such a public manner. Responses for you, to each point:

1. Many people can see behind the veneer and the lies. Lawyers are perhaps most pointed; psychologists are also pretty damn good.

2. If you can’t respect me enough to keep me out of your work (i.e. writing) without first asking for my consent, then you are at best, disrespectful. If I provide inspiration for an article, that’s fine, but if I am the topic of discussion, be it in person or through the veil of an ongoing dispute, then you are, quite simply rude.

3(a). You are indeed arrogant. Writers take many forms and some of them have to stand on their own laurels without the handholding of an editor to cover their defamatory-prone arse before they hit ‘publish’, because the newspaper/journal/blog would imperil its government sponsored funding if they said anything that didn’t toe the ‘party-line’. What about the authors who publish journal articles or textbooks that are critically reviewed by their peers? How about fiction writers, who must research the time periods or styles of writing they employ? Journalists are no more intelligent than other writers, let alone the very many other people who don’t write, but still work in any range of challenging roles, from parent to surgeon!

3(b)Don’t coach people on good grammar and spelling when your forum is international. US English is quite different to Australia and the UK.

4. Many families come second to the careers of someone in the household. Ever lived with a surgeon, nurse, someone on an organ donation retrieval team or an activist, to name but a few? Try it some time. Life gets challenging when you both have to put the job first.

5. Actually, we will be disappointed. Frequently. When you fail to turn up for the dinner we’ve been planning for weeks, or miss a celebration or are not there when we suffer a very huge and painful loss. A telephone simply does not cut it when you’ve lost a loved one or are grossly ill with your partner hours away. The real issue is whether or not we believe your work/cause is worth the disruption to our daily life together. If so, we’ll probably be carrying the banner with you. If not, then the relationship will most likely falter.

Surely that should be “you’re a better writer than me.” Not “than I.”
(Point 3).

From a journalist who cares about grammar

Two things:

1. Don’t forget women are journalists, too. This holds true for women as well as men.

2. This is not necessarily true for all journalists but for most print journalists of news, opinion and feature material.

I hope you wrote this in jest because it is an alarming thought that such a narrow-minded person is writing my news.

‘We have a strong, working knowledge of how the world works.’

The chief economists, political strategists and legal counselors of our supranational institutions tumble from one confusion into another. If you know how the world works, why aren’t you at least assisting them?

Also, what social scientific research have you read? – What political theory have you covered? – Which epistomological methods have you practised?

Not only does your article smack of arrogance, which is sometimes permissible, it also smacks of ignorance.

‘Clearly trends TOWARDS political inclusion of minorities and cultural pluralism can threaten national identity, especially in countries in which it has been constructed in exclusionary forms’ [Castles & Miller, 2009: 288].

Made me think of you.

Ha,,ha,,,ha,,no comment but I like the blunt words, even though I do not say them every time.

Call me.

Entertaining read, I wish someone wrote this for Computer Science people, the arrogance would be in common. The “Queens English” is the only proper English in existence, held to a proper standard (the OED) ;-)

Oh dear. This journalist needs an editor. How windbaggy can you get? This article would have been twice as funny on half the word count.
Other facts about journalists (I was one: I am now a professional cellist & part-time sub-editor on the side when I need the money)…
a. High rate of alcoholism
b. Not going to win any prizes for social skills
c. Kind of in a ratty mood a lot of the time
d. Can’t see past own nose (by which I mean, own current story)
e. Did I mention the alcoholism?
Also… being a professional journalist is not the same thing as being a good professional journalist. My word but there are a lot of hacks out there. The unfortunate truth is, with very few exceptions, the good ones (for which read: the ones with true soul) tend to quit by around 35. They go into novel-writing or television, or become part-time subs so their hours can normalise and they can raise their families. On the other hand, the hacks, like roaches, live for f*cking ever.

Talking about on-the-move dictionaries, job comes first and personalities hard to be contained in one room… hey there I’m an interpreter. It’s not the job that makes you the way you are (granted, it helps), it’s you who have the right stuff to become that job. I have great respect for honest, descent, GOOD journalists especially here at home (being Lebanese, freedom of expression is of a great deal of importance for me). Love the article, especially the end. Thumbs up :D

All that is awesome..

So I’ve been trying to figure out what possessed you to write this. The only thing I can think is that you were dating a female and she dumped you for the following reasons.
No.1 – You pried into her life, rooting into place you shouldn’t have without permission.
No.2 -She took the article you wrote about her the wrong way. It drug on too long and she couldn’t find your points.
No.3 – You made her feel inadequate and stupid. You must respect creativity, even if you have very little.
No.4 – She never could be the one because your job is more important than she is.
No.5 – You set her up for major disappointment constantly with your arrogance and ego.

This is a just a hypothetical, but I like to dig deep and find the subtleties looming in the depth.

And the last thing. Journalist are not the only “Writers” out there. You just can’t get past your own insecurities. This whole article has, “I’m important, please treat me as such” written all over it.

Hey, journalist. A preposition is where you ended a few sentences at… :-)

Oh, yuck. I’m a journalist too, and this post makes me wish I weren’t. Yuck.

hmm…why I’ll never date a journalist. thanks for putting into words the reasons I’ve never been attracted to this group!

THIS IS SOOO TRUE!!!! I LOVE IT… I LOVE BEING A JOURNALIST….

journalism z a knack acquired by hard, disciplined and persistant practise. Upon times journalists step outside the norms and flirt with the mental conciousness intelligence in lieu of some favours. Their is a hint of self boastfullness and over confident like tone in this five point particular kind of, i can say, unbalanced equation. Wt z true journalism and wt kind of value principles hold this sacred profession high?

2 words: so me

I am a journalist and I must say this article does speak to the smugness that exists in our newsrooms. This piece cocky, self-serving, dramatic and over the top. Unfortunately, these are all characteristics of many out of touch reporters that I’ve known in my career. Funny part is, reporters (journalists) are not special. They can be replaced and are replaced easily every year. Respect the job. Respect the duty. But don’t think you’re special because your name shows up in print. It’s a job. You are not smarter than everyone else. Some of the most horrible and miserable people I know are reporters.

Very funny. This stuff is true for a percentage of my fellow journalists out there. However, most of us are not this stupid or self-serving. Some do have social skills. However, we are mostly unhappy. We are also mostly fat (men and woment) and we do think we are smarter than others (we’re probably not!). But hey, we can probably drink you under the table and recite all this BS to a woman at the bar while trying to show off. Also, pretty sure this stuff does not apply to the journalists at The Podunk Times or those at KABC channel 99 in nowhere USA. This is funny. Stupid but funny.

TRUTH IS PRECIOUS!

I’m a journalist and have this to say: Bullshit. A lot of journalists are as dumb as a sack of rocks. Most are as sexy as a pool of vomit.

don’t be smug about something you don’t understand. “good” is the correct answer to “how are you?”/”I am good.” linking verbs take adjectives, not adverbs. of course, people always want to toss “doing” in there, which completely changes things…

Sorry, ‘towards’ is a word.

@Lex. You say that journalists are disproportionately ENTJ as if that’s a bad thing. I’m a journalist, and that’s what I was pegged on BM — an intuitive extrovert, which to me denotes balance. And it makes perfect sense. We have to go within ourselves enough to find the precise words yet be extroverted enough to hit up strangers for comments. I had to learn to overcome some occupational hazards on dates, such as asking too many questions and, yes, correcting the person’s grammar. Correcting an adult is a bad habit in general.

um how about the fact we make peanuts – and yes, am a journalist.

I didn’t get ‘smug’ from it. Just ‘insufferable cretin’.

6: We’ll probably be out of work soon.
Papers are folding across the country. Television newsrooms are shrinking. There are only so many positions the cable news juggernauts. I will be blogging. A lot. And I probably won’t get paid for it. Can you loan me a few bucks?

No wonder you’re single. :) Nice work!

Ha ha so funny. Great read. Still married after we met 22 years ago. I really see the funny side of it.

hi there from the Czech Republic. I went to collage for a journalism masters and I worked as a journalist for a couple of years. Now switched to tourism cause I got tired of not using my other language skills but hey, still see myself in this article, even with my new job I still have the journalist inside me. I definitely loved this article and couldn’t agree more!! best regards from Prague from a Czech ex-journalist.

Love, love, love this! As an aspiring journalist (going to Columbia’s J-School, fall ’11), I think I’ll make postcards with this information and pass them out to would-be suitors. LOL. thx.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA “We are smarter then you” Yep… Thanks fox news… this is a troll list. Journalism is not what it used to be and will never be again… twitter is more effective and more to the point then muddled words. Sorry to all of you ‘smart’ journalists… get a real job

I love it. I’m 19, still no boyfriend since birth. I passionately want to pursue journalism and right now, I am attracted to a media man. If God permits we’ll be together, I fear that our relationship won’t last long since persons in this field are highly work-oriented…less time for love, dear. It takes one to be subservient.

PERFECTION! We’re posting this on our facebook page!
Love, RAGMAG Magazine

Love this! #1 and #4 are especially important

Hum … Consultants have all of the above … and more … But we prefer to live the shadows! :)

Well, I don’t see the difference, it’s just like my job (unwritten rules), except that you do something else.
1) I can figure things out, I know how to make the difference between press articles, the opposition’s stance and our own strategy
2) you will never be a topic, and if you are from the press/opposition/industry basically if you are a citizen you’ll never hear about any internal politics from me – never, except if it is in our own interest.
3) ego- there is plenty, while other people write about it, we are shaping the world, we do politics and laws – for all and for the better
4) and yes we do take our work home before an amendment deadline and when it requires to fly to rwanda on a sunday afternoon, we’ll do so
5) We all starred in German porn, or anything else that might be used against you as a slimy politician
6) I’m single too

These are, in fact, some of the reasons journos tend to date/marry/mate with other journos :-)

Rule numer 6: Sarcasm comes hand in hand with the profession.

And we also like using the media influence everywhere… Oh! Come on, don’t we?

Interesting seeing so many women arcing up and affronted by this tongue-in-cheek piece. To me that reflects an element of the same egoism this writer identifies with. As someone who has been a frontline newspaper journalist and photographer (crime, High Court and features) and then an editor for more than 30 years, I can honestly say much of this describes both myself and many of my colleagues in the early years of the career, before we became jaded and more realistic about life. And more caring and responsible about the effect, impact and influence our writing has on the lives of people – and our own relationships and families. I compare that with many of the young “journalists” coming out of universities today who are often incredibly lacking in general world knowledge and the ability to spell without the aid of a spellchecker. The young women especially are often more concerned with the romanticism and street cred of being “a journalist” and their 15 minutes of fame in getting in front of the camera than they are with reporting real news. Catastrophic floods we had here several months ago became a nightly TV charade of which young female reporter could look the most glamorous, personable and articulated, standing ankle-deep in the floodwaters wearing designer gumboots, makeup and hair. Much modern journalism has become more about desperation to achieve some sort of celebrity beauty status and making a name for the reporter than it is about researching and reporting real news. Many of the young female print journalists also have a predeliction for colouring what they write with their own feminist bias (thanks to gender studies) or gender stereotypes that put women in a good light and portray men as the “great unwashed”. Many of them will only research by phone a few superficial angles that support and validate their personal beliefs and viewpoint. Add to that the phenomenon of the average newsroom becoming a more sterile and clinical environment due to workplace protocol laws and political correctness – and you have the death of this older style of hard-bitten, eccentric journalist. The days of the true insightful and investigative reporter who spent days doggedly investigating and following up leads to produce a well-balanced and informative piece are rapidly disappearing. The fact that many newspapers are on their deathbed and in survival mode means we end up with a culture of quick-hit “churnalism” and celebrity appeal employing more economical junior journalists. Television also has become the land of look-at-me wannabe glamour reporters and celebrity talking-head presenters more concerned with fashion statements, ratings and sensationalism than with informing people. I applaud this piece by Tom Chambers and the obvious debate it has stirred, very gutsy and entertaining.

What an asshole

I loves it, I have been laughing since I began to read it! SO TRUE! I am translating it to spanish!

I find this article and the loads of comments about it fascinating.

I am a New Zealand journalist of 25 years’ standing and have learnt a thing or two during my career.

The ”great unwashed” don’t (in the main) really care about ”toward” or ”towards”; they also don’t seem to mind if an apostrophe or comma is left out occasionally.

They DO care and phone the newsroom en masse if one of the clues in the daily crossword is wrong – and they most certainly care and don’t hesitate to complain if a story about them is published and their name is spelt incorrectly.

To all of you who have dissed Tom’s article, I have only this to say: The mark of a good journalist lies in his/her ability to spark both interest and debate.

Tom has certainly done both here. Kudos to you, sir. What a great sense of humour you have. Keep up the good work!

Five words that never fail to make a poet, or unpublished writer, cry: “I write for a living.”

I can’t deny what it says here…its happening…good to have Tom pointed it out bluntly for us. Aloha Tom, I agree with you that based on our role and our comittment, we usually have less time for our personal lives….
Face the fact that Journalists do not own a normal life as many do, example, working from 8am to 5pm…and meet their family at home, no wonder I never receive a wedding ring since being a Journalist, do you? just joking…in fact, I recieved a ‘Ceriticate of Divorce’…yes Tom, journalism is a challenging role, I move on…but opps, correction here,,,,being ego is ‘not my cup of tea’ and I believe many Journalists do not have it (ego), its up to any individual either to have it or let it be there for reason best known to him/her. I met many Journalists who are are low-profile, humble, helpful and friendly, that’s why they have many friends though…..and in trying to dig the truth,we sometimes do not know who need to silence us..and we do not know of some crazy heads who feel like dividing our skin like pieces of cake (Daniel Pearl trajedy)..too bad,we risk our lives for the People…..but that won’t stop us from digging the truth…it takes courage. To All: Take care in your role….and move on.

hmmm…lady journo wonders if you’re still single Tom? Love the piece, hilarious commentary following as well. I find it hilarious so many people hopped on the Grammer bandwagon! (look I can criticize you and make myself feel better about being one of those coffee shop goths you made fun of, but my comment on this website will be the first thing I’ve ever published and I didn’t even have the balls to use my real name!) Ha! Though I must say the fantasy of Clark Kent put me off a little. I can guarantee that if you ever take off your clothes to reveal a spandex unitard I will laugh my ass off, not find it sexy.
There is something just downright sexy about journalism and journalists. We also know how to give compliments that aren’t generalized and vague, because we had to spend a fair amount of time sucking up to those cranky editors. For people who feel that journalism isn’t a difficult form of literature should attempt to write the crappy rookie article: 300 words on a bear being hit by a car, or how to make the local city council meeting sound interesting. It’s not easy, and sometimes it just plain sucks. But it’s thrilling entertainment, and journalists don’t get stuck in a rut of hating their mundane jobs.

I’m sorry. But, this makes me want to be a journalist all over again. Just to snag em all :)

Also- I won’t be surprised if you’re not single anymore ;)

Ken, what is it with you and calling the American journalism lousy? As in comparison to what kind of journalism? As we say in the U.S.,
“uh, give me a break”!

I wanted to add that journalists, especially print journalists, have a strong need in belonging to a journalism community, especially since most of our job includes writing about other people’s lives. In fact journalism might be the only profession where networking in the office is kept to a minimum or not very important. The “little black book” is not about how many people you know in journalism but how wide your network is outside of it.

Oh my God! This is simply true, you couldn’t have said it better. My boyfriend is gradually getting to know its not like am arrogant or something, while i try to balance the demands of my job with my relationship. The job sure takes more.
once again thanks for this piece.

Loved this so-very-true account of dating one of my species! I am a proud journalist who makes, if I do say so myself, a great girlfriend because of those inquisitive listening skills! Bravo!

As a journalist I can say this is so true!!!

“Ever go on a date with attractive PERSON and wind up wishing you hadn’t because everything THEY say…”

Oops…have a bit of conflict with singular/plural in that sentence, Mr. I’m-Smarter-Than-You?

Wow. I’m a journalist and I shudder to think that I’m even a tenth as arrogant as you make journalists sound in this article. I just hope that you don’t actually believe your own hype and that you’ve written most of this as a joke…because otherwise it sounds like your entire self worth is invested in the profession and that’s a really pathetic thing. Although I do agree I fight the tendency to correct other people’s grammar!

This is so dead on I could have written it! My most recent ex-boyfriend thought I was always snooping on him, asking too many questions, correcting his grammar and “interviewing him!” HA! I would answer “I’m a journalist. It’s what I do.” He also never understood why leaving work at six never happened and why I had to go to work when news broke on weekends. Needless to say, we’re not together any more. Regular folks just don’t get it.

6. My time is precious. Don’t waste it. I want to have fun. If you are going to be moody, jealous or needy, don’t bother me.

7. If you tell me you’ve never read a book or only read the sports section, we will have little in common. I’m already bored with you. See rule #6.

Haven’t read through all the comments, but this applies to photojournalists as well! Even tv photojournalists. I’m married to one, and I’m his sound guy (okay, gal, but still). He hasn’t written about me, obviously, but, wow, hooking up with him put me on the ride of my life, and we’re still riding. Whee!

Dude, you were right until
1. I reached this line: “…we live our lives writing about life. If you’re a part of our life…”
2. I got to the part about correcting women’s grammatical errors. Do you see a plural and singular that don’t agree above?
Yes, they can’t fool us.
And No: you’re a dork if you correct your wife’s grammar.
Unless the above doesn’t piss you off.

Where’s the part about boozing and being broke?

This piece would more accurately be titled “5 Reasons Why Tom Chambers is Single.”

I’m pretty sure points 2 and 3 contradict the whole “not an asshole” thought. Also, does this only refer to real journalists of does it include local TV news teams as well?

You should also know that their near and long-term employment prospects are dismal so you’ll probably end up supporting them for awhile…

Rule No. 6: We’re married to our Blackberry/iPhone/Android, get over it.

I have a master’s degree in journalism and drink like a pro!

What a secretly insecure asshole masquerading as a confident date-able individual. Accurate though I suppose, you are just like my ex (a journalist) and his journalist friends.

Still laughing. That was so dead-on. Made me feel better for the “towards” and “anxious” corrections….and for a lot of other traits we all share.

What self-righteous b.s. by Tom Chambers.

“Yes, we think we’re smarter than you. In fact, we know it.”

Really? If Tom was such a bright guy, he wouldn’t be working as a part-time bartender in San Diego. He’d know there’s always going to be someone smarter. And journalism — as it exists today — is no practice by Mensa. In fact, some of the dumbest people I know are self-professed “journalists”. (read: hacks) The fact he’s willing to publish this on a website called “rockmycar.com” tells me a lot about who this clown is and how the inside of his skull is a vacuum.

I have never laughed so hard… this is so very very true! I love it.
I’ve read it 3 times now and keep laughing.

Love,
TV News Producer!

I can deal with all of this except #3. That is called hypercorrection. It is a linguistic FACT that as long as other native English speakers can understand you, you are speaking English. It doesn’t matter if you do not speak “proper” English because “proper” English doesn’t exist. It is a set of rules created by rich white men a long time ago who thought their dialect was better than others. The fact that you insist on correcting other people’s speech shows your ignorance of linguistic facts. It also means that you actually aren’t smarter than me.

lololol, that’s why engineers drop to journalism in college. it’s because they’re the smartest, right?

It pains me that this has gotten more than 300 comments.

The dictionary disagrees with number 3′s “towards” not being a word…

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/towards

I only need one reason not to date a journalist – they are poor.

None of it’s true. Ask people who aren’t journalists. They think we are lazy and we are. They think we are dumb. Many of us are. They don’t believe us. Why should they? We don’t know how the world works, we get things wrong perpetually, we think we recognize subtleties, but it’s just another person’s paranoia, or lack of social skills that we think means they are hiding something. We are used, underpaid lackeys who drink too much and think too highly of ourselves. All we’re good at is using our vanity as a driving force to keep penning for pennies because it strokes our egos. We think our bad attitudes are cool when in fact they keep us from doing stuff that’s actually important, like making money to support our kids and families and fostering harmony and finding solutions. Instead we prefer shooting half-assed researched gotcha bullets like a gang of snot-nosed playground bullies who need a whooping, but nobody thinks it’s worth their time. They have better things to do.

As a journalist, I would have to say there is never a dull moment with us. :)

You forgot the inestability of a changing world at the verge of new techonology in this industry…
How hundreds of journalists are jumping from one media to another and adapting from print to video or internet… & how well we can adapt to new things, and yes- we can muktitask and writing is just one of our multiple skills.
BTW am a single journalist too ;)

Great propaganda for an industry that pays writers barely a living wage. How sexy is that?

It’s a fun article to read, but most of it isn’t true. Journalists are like any other person. Some are boring, others are interesting. Some talk a lot, some are quiet. Some are savvy and some are naive. Most will love and hate their job at the same time. And on those days they hate it, watch out.

«You may have some great journal entries, poems and rudimentary short stories — good for you. Just don’t assume we’ll accept that as on par with what we do (unless you’re really hot, then hell, you’re a better writer than I).»

You probably meant ‘better writer than ME’, right? Oh! But you were probably just testing your audience…

dating a journalist is always a beautiful experience, as it helps the other person to say on mental toes, in thinking intellectually :-)

Twat

If that’s true, then why do all mainstream journalists just spout the official line, and never question it? Those of us who read the news rather than absorb it through the tube figure things out too, and what jumps out is that only the “official” story line is covered, however implausible it is.

So either the first premise is wrong and journalists can’t figure things out, or else they are required to wear blinders and not question things they know deep down they should question. If it’s the latter, what a horrible life.

“Yes, we think we’re smarter than you. In fact, we know it. Does that smack of ego? Absolutely — but that confidence is what makes your heart go pitter-patter.”

Yeah, a J-school degree is super-impressive. So is listening to what folks say and writing it down. Not many people can do that. Engineers? Doctors? Stupid. It’s the people in the newsroom making phone calls who are the true geniuses of our society.

This is why journalist should only date other journalist. Also we writers drink way to much

thanks for putting this out there! such truth!!!

The written word just turns me on more than, oh, just lots of other things that attract women who are not intrigued by being with a journalist.

I am a print journalist and am going to assume Mr. Chambers is affable and charming in person. His composite character describing “us,” not so much. “We carry ourselves with an air of arrogance.”. To the extent that’s true, it’s not exactly a salutary thing. Also, while the piece doesn’t address this directly, I am a little tired of journalists being so self-absorbed that they can’t seem to talk about anything except their work, even at parties. Ever bring your (nonjournalist) significant other to one of those parties? How much funzw

…how much fun was it for him or her? I had an editor once whose wife — a former reporter — stopped coming with him because all people did was talk shop. Couple that with the fact that “we” who allegedly are so socially adept seem to find ourselves continually engaging in conversations we control in toto. Maybe because we’re more comfortable there than we would be without that power. People who think these personality traits are wonderful — and yes, Tom, you did nail some of those attributes — should talk more to the people in advertising. (Face it, we’re all in sales anyway.) they have to connect with people to get paid. And in my experience, the good ones don’t do that with an “air of arrogance.”. By the way, sleazy politicians in and of themselves do not offend me. Some of them run a city better than the grandstanding do-gooders who replace them.

TV journalist here. I love it!!! Those who don’t, don’t get it and that’s fine. What makes me crazy…”over $1 million” vs. “more than $1 million”

Very accurate description. Just 18 years late for me. I had to find it all out by myself .
Happens to be my 17th wedding anniversary today.

This explains why I love journalists!

Media people think they are smarter because they are dumb enough to think that apparent self confidence is inteligence. Please if you are a journalist, read the book: 7 Habits of Highly Efficient People! ;) and don’t take this message personally.

I have a question: I am in love with an international journalist, you know, the big news agencies, one day is in Egypt, the other in Afghanistan. I met him last summer during a story he was making and he contacted me.

I helped him as I continue to do through emails when he asks my opinion over some national stories once in a while.

I am searching a way to “approach” him but a serious one, respecting professional limits and not to take me for the stupid bimbo -impressed girl.

We are not living in the same country, but not very far (neighbouring country), he is a very serious person. Can you tell me, you, the journalists, what can be an intriguing way for you, to get interrested to a person, really?

Out of this whirlwind -your life-, what would you like to find as other half? What quality and what is that can make you to loose your professional concentration? Thank you in advance

Nice.. list.. Would not mind dating one.. as SHE might understand …. *grinz* my profession is even more… crazy… I’m a programmer.. the kind of people who get up in the middle of the night.. code something.. and fall back to sleep again… And yes the above list does apply to us also. :) Tho we might never go to print like in point number 3. ;)

Have fun ppls.. and the non ppls..

I think it’s hilarious when people who write for a living think they have any real idea of consequences. Hold a life in your hands. Those are REAL consequences. Amazing.

Oh, and ‘change opinions’? Only of the people moronic enough to trust the mainstream media. Gimme a break already. G’nite…those of us with real jobs that buttress the infrastructure of our civilization have got to catch some zzzzzs…

I’m not a journalist, but have dealt with them for more than 25 years, been interviewed, quoted.

Not once, NOT ONCE, have I been accurately quoted, even when I recorded my words and then played them back for the reporters’ editors.

Journalism is the last resort of the learning disabled.

6. Your journalist is probably un/underemployed.

The “towards” thing I can handle (although “towards” is actually a word in British English), but I’m exhausted by the AP-as-Ultimate-Authority thing. JUST because the AP rejects the Oxford comma and prefers “blond” in all contexts doesn’t make a journalist right. Sometimes the Oxford comma is needed and “blonde” is sometimes appropriate, even though the AP doesn’t accept “blonde” in copy.

So pretentious… You make me feel ashame of being a journalist. Well, maybe it’s just you’re the only shame in this business.

What a crock of bull! In reality you steal the spotlight from the productive, and expose the hurt and shame of the unfortunate. And you think your crap doesn’t stink.

….”4 You’re not less important than the job — the job is just more important than anything else.”

REALLY?????

I am a veteran television reporter. And, no. My job is not “more important” than my wife. Or “more important than anything else”.

What arrogant, selfish hack puts his or her job ahead of “anything else”. You’re spouse, children, parents?

When you are on you’re death bed, you’re newspaper editor isnt going to be by you’re bedside. You’re friends and family will be. IF… you put them first.

You can be a successful journalist, without the world revolving around it.

funny how point no. 3 just proves the opposite

Haha! Brilliant read.

Having recently joined a tabloid as a trainee sub-editor, I can relate. A lot!

I testify- every word is true :)

I was a daily newspaper journo for 23 years before I found something better. This article is stuffed full of the stale, self-serving stereotypes that journos love to spout about their wonderful, long-suffering selves and how their friends and families just have to live with it all.

No. You CAN be a journo and still be a decent, respectful, sensitive human being. But only if you choose to be, and you don´t fall for all the ready-made excuses journos use for their general ass-hattedness.

Get over yourself, boy. It´s a fun job, but it is only a job.

“strong, working knowledge”? Seriously, boss, you need a copy editor. Just another example is how English is going down the drains. And that is not the only thing wrong with this piece.

*example of* I get agitated when I encounter such abuse of language.

I am proud to be a journalist, but I must say that among other passion-driven professions, sadly, most journalists only lead the way in arrogance. I know filmmakers, artists, entrepreneurs, psychologists, teachers, religious workers who would make journalists look like lazy pansies with the amount of time and creativity they inject into their professions. And they’re less likely to bore others with their long-suffering, as Rebekah said above. Perhaps it’s because any hack with a big head and a basic sense of the English language can sign on to a small paper and become a big fish in a little pond. I know you meant this article tongue-in-cheek, but it’s disturbing to me how many people seriously identify. How are we supposed to be public-serving journalists with this kind of attitude?

Jaw dropping piece, but one line failed to surprise – “Yes ladies, I’m single”. Likely to remain that way for a long time with that attitude.

What massive cunt wrote this? Or is it a spoof?

As a poster already said “towards” is indeed a word… Besides, according to Merrian Webster’s dictionary “anxious” can also mean “ardent and earnestly wishing” in which case it is indeed a synonym for “eager”.

As a side note, I’m not even a natural speaker so… Biatch, please… learn you english, lol.

THIS IS WHY YOU ARE S.I.N.G.L.E.

well, considering that i’m in a relationship with a journalist, i’d like to add some points:

6. if the journalist is studying journalism for any other reason than to get a foot within the business through internships, and actually claims that she’s learning something through the studies that she didn’t already know, you have managed to find yourself a dumb journalist. congratulations. yes, they do exist.

luckily, dumb journalists only hang out with other dumb journalists who actually think that fashion is newsworthy. so if you find one of the many smart ones, rest assured; her other journalist friends are smart as well. if you’re not dumb yourself, you’ll get along great with them too.

7. i can highly recommend dating a journalist, unless she’s a dumb one. mine is smart. thank god. see 6.

8. journalists really need to learn something about law, which seems to be one big black hole in their intellects. they can’t help it, but they always and without exception miss the point about headlines and catching, one-sided stories not being the law or even justice. journalists simply don’t understand law and they always think it’s the same as politics. if you study or have studied law, you will win at least half of the discussions, even though they’ll call you narrow-minded.

9. “you’re so narrow-minded” is a journalist’s way of saying “you’re right and i was wrong”, except that their language lacks the words to express others being right. see 8.

Not a good opening par, Mr Chambers. You tell us twice that the journalist is smart.
I did laugh out loud, though, at point 3. So true.

This is truly awful. A complete lack of self awareness. The author appears to be suffering from self delusion on an unprecedented scale. Blogs, by their very nature, are the realm of the self obsessed but the arrogant tone of this piece beggars belief.
That the author is single comes as no surprise. Time spent with anyone so obviously in awe of their own ‘talents’ would be akin root canal surgery. Painful.
This is one ‘journalist and bar tender’ who should probably try getting over himself before embarking on a relationship with any. unsuspecting potential partner.
I’m surprised that someone with such a superior intellect would not have figured this out.
Either that or I have missed the point and, rather than being the author’s true opinions, this is a piece of glorious irony… Alas, I fear this not to be the case.

Was this from the pilot of Nathan Barley?

I had something witty to say but it is that time of month and have to insert a new Tom Chambers. Le douche Non, le tampon.

I’m most impressed that, four and a half years later this is still being circulated and garnering comments! Also given point two, assume this is an explanatory note and as near an apology as possible, from someone as self important as you, to someone you were late for or forgot about, again.

That sounds like my wife, and she is amazing.

You can correct my written English any time. Correct spoken language and you’re an asshat I have no time for. And I will break up with you by saying “I’m going towards something better in life, in the shape of a wonderful – or frankly even half-decent – person I can spend time with, for free rather than paying the exorbitant price of dealing with a dick who listens to how I say something, rather than what I’m saying.” I might think of a way to end the sentence with a preposition, too – just to really get your goat. And then I’ll send you an email telling you when and where you can pick your stuff up with no punctuation or capitalisation – and if you miss that date because of a deadline, you can buy your stuff back from Oxfam. It’s for charity!

I used to be a journalist like you… then I took an arrow to the knee…

Ugh… I realize this article was written somewhat tongue in cheek, but you have done no favors in boosting your fellow journalists’ image. Prior to this, I would have said journalists were bookish, dorky but intellectual, well-meaning types. Now it’s all of the above, plus unwarrantedly arrogant. If you had reason to be – e.g., you guys were also hot in addition to smart – fair enough, but come now, one does not conjure up ‘model’ when referring to journalists; therefore…

I was on board until I hit 3, 4, and 5. I don’t think I’m smarter than anyone. That’s why I write — I get to learn from everyone I meet. And come on, NO ONE likes a douchebag who thinks they’re smarter than everyone. Quit fantasizing that it makes you more attractive. It’s because of assholes like you that half of every interview I go on is spent actively trying to break down the stereotype of the smartass, holier-than-thou reporter who has no concern for others’ feelings…you know, the stereotype that this list does a FANTASTIC job of upholding. Thanks a lot, asshole.

Journo should also be mature enough to separate work from private lives

Well, if it’s just about your usage of something, than say so, don’t go claiming that ““towards” is not a word”, which is a general, absolute statement… and you used that “fact” in an imagined conversation with a person, not an AmEng born-and-raised speaker (in which case, it would still be untrue and spreading rumours, but you could maybe be forgiven in a real life conversation – but not an article… by a journalist).

““Towards” vs. “toward” — If you’re using the Queen’s English, go ahead and write “towards.” Here in the States, it’s “toward.” I do not use “bonnet” when referring to the hood of a car, nor do I use “fag” when referring to a cigarette. So I use “toward.””

So like… totally not funny. What an arrogant prick.

You don’t know world works, you only write opinions, you’re not engineers.

Love it–my husband sometimes lovingly complains about my “journalistic” flaws of correcting his grammar, spelling and word usage. I do look at what he is saying more than the words, but as a trained journalist it is something we can not separate from our personalities easily:) We have been happily married for 35 years!

Another pet peeve of mine: Using lead instead of led–too many people make this mistake!

A lot of what Chambers says is true, but not as some of those who have commented have taken it-yes, some of this information comes across as sounding arrogant, and some comes across as sounding pompous. It really isn’t meant that way, but then the true meaning behind Chambers’ words can only be understood by a journalist.

If jounalists are so smart, why are most J-Schools filled with the most average students on campus. Hmmmmmm? Perhaps we have a contradiction…

So…. did the disclaimer help operation ‘find a date’?
Just wondering….

And you wonder why most people hate the media. Journalists are more about themselves, more about their personal interests & causes and more about their fame than reporting the facts.

As a journalist married to an engineer, I smypathize with Brianna. But I cringed at the journalist newly married to another journalist. I’ve known some, and a few seemed to make it work. But for most ot us, it’s much easier to find someone in another occupation who can put up with our egos and eccentricities.

So true… That means I do not need to worry anymore!

You forgot to mention that the drive often eventually morphs into alcoholism and cynicism…

Supposably. Oh. My. GAWD.

@Mike – Just because they study journalism doesn’t mean they will be successful

This is Awesome! ;) LMAO! I have never read something so entertaining as this, and I’m sure the spelling errors were on purpose too! ;-) LOL! You are good. I can’t stop laughing b/c some of the comments are so serious, people cannot take themselves so seriously or we lose all sanity! ;) Sounds like you can laugh at yourself which is a great trait to have. Thank you for writing this, I can personally relate to #2 as I campaigned for Hillary Clinton in Des Moines, Iowa back in 2007/2008 and met some very nice, single, good looking journalists that I wouldn’t have minded dating. However, it’s a life on the road unless you’re Brian Williams. ;) Thank you for the insight and if I come across a single, good looking, nice journalist again, maybe I’ll give him a 2nd chance. LOL!

i work with journalist and yes, all of this is true.
loved it!

VERY TRUE! ;)

“1We can figure things out. Understand, we’re paid to dig deep, find the secrets and wade through bullshit.” You’re paid to do so, but do you actually do so? No, you find the easiest and most controversial misunderstanding of a topic you can and pass it off as the truth.

“2At some point, you will be a topic. Either through a feature story or an opinion column, something you do or say will be a subject. Get over it. Consider it a compliment, even if we’re arguing against you in print.” So you’ll take a private conversation into the public eye and shame them for daring to disagree with you over something that’s probably just really stupid, rather than actually reporting something important? Great to know.

“3Yes, we think we’re smarter than you. In fact, we know it. Does that smack of ego? Absolutely — but that confidence is what makes your heart go pitter-patter.” So, basically, you (and all the journalists you speak for, probably without their permission all things considered) have an ego the size of Jupiter and maybe an ounce of intellect to justify it (yes “towards” is a word you stupid fuck, dictionaries aren’t rubbish just because you didn’t write them).

“4You’re not less important than the job — the job is just more important than anything else. One doesn’t become a journalist to sit in an office from 9 to 5 Monday through Friday.” Yes, one does (see point 1 above).

“5You won’t be disappointed. Journalists are intense, driven, passionate folk. We carry those same attributes into our relationships, making it an extremely fun ride well worth the price of admission. Our lives are never boring and each day is different.” This is basically point 3 amplified even further because you apparently haven’t given everybody enough reasons to hate you.

I also believe that it was written to be funny…some truth but taken to the nth degree. I am an unemployed journalist. I worked hard for a newspaper that has a standard business practice of firing their staff-writers after about three years so they can bring in new writers for less money. I loved my job but I was never arrogant about it. My sources came to me because they trusted me to tell their story accurately and truthfully. I never let them down. I am proud about this, not arrogant. As a retired volunteer EMT/Firefighter, I know a little about the adrenalin rush. Certain stories bring out the same chemical reaction. I loved it!

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